Inside Trump's Science Agenda: Anti-Science Claims, Fauci's Damage, DEI & China w/ Michael Kratsios

Is this administration anti-science? >> We want to essentially double the scientific output of the United States. >> Did we lose it or did it lead [music] to moments where you have like Fouchy? >> That's a great question. >> Are we in this moment, this populist moment right now in the West where science and technology is viewed as a

tool of the elite [music] and therefore it must be broken and destroyed? >> That's what's most tragic. >> That is a crazy crazy fact. [music] Has science stagnated in America? What the heck is going on? >> [music]

>> I'm going [music] >> Michael Katios, welcome to the All-In Interview. >> Thank you for having me. Excited to be here. >> So, you are the director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy here at the White House. Can you just tell me a little bit about what that role is? What

do you do here? Yeah. So the office of science and technology policy was uh created in in the 60s to coordinate science and tech policy across the administration. So very unique to the US is that we don't have an agency that does science and technology. We have lots of agencies that do pieces of the

science and technology enterprise. We have a national science foundation that does basic research. We have a department of energy that runs our national labs. The Department of War has uh extensive R&D um programs like DARPA for example. So the one office in the White House or in the in the administration broadly that's able to

coordinate all those efforts is the office that that I run called OSTP. Um and we try to do is work with the president to set the national S&T agenda uh and then ultimately implement that across all of our agencies. >> And you had this role before. Is that right? >> So last administration I was the chief