Ness 573 – Hvis du ikke kan se for deg å få barn med personen, bør du ikke ha sex

[music] NES, a podcast from in news. A warm welcome to Pål Henrik Hagen, philosopher, writer on the subject, former rock musician, but now you stormed into the Norwegian public at the debate where you were, well, not very impressed with Norwegian influencers and their need for us all to distance ourselves from a possible, er,

or not possible rape case at Cornell University in the USA. If you were to describe the debate and the debate about the debate and the Kornellake itself and your idea for it, Pål. Yes. Yes, it may take a while. Well, the debate itself was also somewhat surreal for me. Well, not so much as the reaction afterwards, but

well, but describe it for those who haven't seen the debate. The debate the surrealist seen through Pol's eyes. Yes. No , it's a bit surreal that I've never been to a TV debate before. Haven't been to Dags 18 once. I've been on some podcasts, so I wasn't like I feel like I kind of went straight

to the top step. I was called by them the same day at around noon and was asked if I would participate in the debate that was going to be about. Eh, the Kornel case and Anine Olsen's call for Norwegian men to distance themselves and take responsibility for what happened there. Eh, and me, the first thing I told them

was no, I'm not going to do that. I will not become Norway's rape apologist. Thanks. Eh, that perspective to pick up somewhere else. Eh, but they and I managed to trick myself into joining anyway. It was, I was attracted by the potential attention and opportunity to shape the social debate and so on.

Eh, so then you travel in that same evening. Oh, suddenly, right, you're going on TV and talking about one of the most combustible topics in Norwegian public life, like rape and the relationship between the sexes and the male role more or less feminism, what can you say, without really having a very clear